Gnus mail splitting / Gmane / gnu.emacs.help / mailing list

[Emanuel Berg]

Now that one is disencouraged to use the
newsgroup (gnu.emacs.help) because of the
threading issue, and newcomers cannot use Gmane
(gmane.emacs.help) because of the
authentication issue, here is how one can do it
with Gnus to get away with at least half the
self-respect intact.

First add an nnml group. Here, I called it
mail.geh. ("geh" for gnu.emacs.help, no doubt.)

Then add this to split mail from the mailing
list to that group:

(setq nnmail-split-methods
'(
("mail.geh" "\\(From\\|To\\|Cc\\):.*help-gnu-***@gnu.org")
;; add more here the same way if need be
("mail.misc" "")
))

Maybe you would like to killfile, or rather
downscore which is recommended and much better,
maybe you'd like to do that to yourself so you
don't see your own posts.

You can still bring them up by entering the
group and do `gnus-summary-insert-old-articles'
(I think the original key for that is `/ o';
I have it just `o') which ignores the scoring.

In a way that doesn't make sense but it can
nevertheless be used in this particular
situation. There are other ways to do it,
as well.

[Nuno Silva]

Post by Emanuel Berg
Now that one is disencouraged to use the
newsgroup (gnu.emacs.help) because of the
threading issue, and newcomers cannot use Gmane
(gmane.emacs.help) because of the
authentication issue, here is how one can do it
with Gnus to get away with at least half the
self-respect intact.
First add an nnml group. Here, I called it
mail.geh. ("geh" for gnu.emacs.help, no doubt.)
Then add this to split mail from the mailing
(setq nnmail-split-methods
'(
;; add more here the same way if need be
("mail.misc" "")
))
Maybe you would like to killfile, or rather
downscore which is recommended and much better,
maybe you'd like to do that to yourself so you
don't see your own posts.
You can still bring them up by entering the
group and do `gnus-summary-insert-old-articles'
(I think the original key for that is `/ o';
I have it just `o') which ignores the scoring.
In a way that doesn't make sense but it can
nevertheless be used in this particular
situation. There are other ways to do it,
as well.

I'd check whether Gnus can be slightly modified or configured to send
replies to specific newsgroups by e-mail instead. I have never done
something like this myself, but it might be possible.

[Nuno Silva]

Post by Emanuel Berg
(setq nnmail-split-methods
'(
;; add more here the same way if need be
("mail.misc" "")
))

There's also the "List-Id:" header, which should match only messages
that are sent through the mailing list.

But whether you want to filter based on From/To/Cc or List-Id depends on
what you want to happen and on your personal taste. (With List-Id, if
somebody addresses a message to the list *and* to you, the rule should
only match the copy you get from the list).

[Emanuel Berg]

Post by Nuno Silva
There's also the "List-Id:" header, which should match only messages
that are sent through the mailing list.

You mean like this?

(setq nnmail-split-methods
'(
("mail.geh" "List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs.gnu.org>")
;; etc.
("mail.misc" "")
))

Yeah, maybe that's better.

However even if the regexp fails to catch
a mail I should still get them in mail.misc.
But actually I haven't received any mails from
the list!

Maybe it is some Gnus configuration that
deletes them as duplicates, as I already have
them in the newsgroups? However I *do* get the
same stuff in both gmane.emacs.help and
gnu.emacs.help so that doesn't make
sense either!

I did send a mail to

List-Help: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-***@gnu.org?subject=help>

but no reply there either.

PS. I continue to use gnu.emacs.help until this
is solved. Sorry for breaking threads. DS.

[Nuno Silva]

Post by Emanuel Berg
However even if the regexp fails to catch
a mail I should still get them in mail.misc.
But actually I haven't received any mails from
the list!

How did you subscribe to the list? Any chance you're subscribed to the
"no mail" variant (if that option is available for this mailing list)?

Post by Emanuel Berg
I did send a mail to
but no reply there either.

As in a message to help-gnu-emacs-***@gnu.org with the subject
'help'? If you did not get any reply, then I guess something *is* wrong.

Post by Emanuel Berg
PS. I continue to use gnu.emacs.help until this
is solved. Sorry for breaking threads. DS.

I prefer the USENET approach, so I will be doing the same. Apologies for
the threading breakage.

[Emanuel Berg]

Post by Nuno Silva
How did you subscribe to the list? Any chance
you're subscribed to the "no mail" variant
(if that option is available for this mailing
list)?

I sent I mail using the "List-Subscribe:" header,

<mailto:help-gnu-emacs-***@gnu.org?subject=subscribe>

I got a reply to confirm, and did so.
Actually since then, I have gotten a couple of
mails from the list, but not as many as I've
seen in the newsgroup (Usenet & Gmane).

Some have ended up in my dedicated nnml group,
but I got one in my main group, so the
"List-Id:" header is perhaps not always there -
as it wasn't, in this case.

However, there is something wrong with my own
setup because, as said, even if I got the
regexp (not a plain string) fails, I should get
the rest to the fallthru case.

Post by Nuno Silva

Post by Emanuel Berg
but no reply there either.

As in a message to
subject 'help'? If you did not get any reply,
then I guess something *is* wrong.

I didn't get (see) anything and today I tried
to unsubscribe and I didn't get (see) anything
this time either :)